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    TOBRUK, Libya – The U.N. Security Council on Thursday authorized "all necessary measures" to stop Moammar Gadhafi in Libya — including strikes by sea and air — hours after he vowed in harrowing terms to launch a final assault and crush the weeks-old rebellion against him.

    The resolution, approved with the backing of the United States, France and Britain, imposed a no-fly zone over Libya and authorized force short of a ground offensive to protect its people from Gadhafi's forces.

    The U.N. action bans all flights in Libyan airspace in order to protect civilians. While it was unclear how the West might proceed, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said earlier in the day that a no-fly zone would require bombing targets inside Libya, including some of its defense systems.

    It was also unclear when any Western action would come. A British lawmaker said British forces could be mobilized as early as Thursday night. U.S. officials, speaking after a closed-door briefing in Congress, said they expected an attempt to ground Gadhafi's air force could begin by Sunday or Monday and would probably involve jet fighters, bombers and surveillance aircraft.

    After deliberating for weeks over what to do about Gadhafi, the West acted with sudden speed as it became clear Gadhafi would attempt to finally put an end to the rebellion.

    Gadhafi, calling in to Libyan television on Thursday, said his forces would "rescue" the people of Benghazi, the Mediterranean port city that has become the capital and staging ground for the opposition. For those who resist, Gadhafi said, there would be "no mercy or compassion."

    "This is your happy day, we will destroy your enemies," he said, warning the people of Benghazi not to stand alongside the opposition. "Prepare for this moment to get rid of the traitors. Tomorrow we will show the world, to see if the city is one of traitors or heroes."

    "Don't betray me, my beloved Benghazi," he said.

    His ground forces were still about 80 miles south of the city on Thursday evening Libya time, so it was unclear whether they would move on the city as quickly as he suggested.

    Speaking moments before in an interview with Portuguese television broadcast just before the vote at the U.N., Gadhafi pledged to respond harshly to U.N.-sponsored attacks. "If the world is crazy," he said, "we will be crazy, too."

    At the U.N. headquarters in New York, the vote was 10-0. The United States, France and Britain had all pushed for speedy approval. "We had said all along that Gadhafi must go," said British Foreign Secretary William Hague. "It is necessary to take these measures to avoid greater bloodshed."

    Five nations abstained, including Russia and China, which hold veto power on the council.

    In Washington, officials said the Obama administration was readying plans to enforce the no-fly zone. The French prime minister said before the measure was passed that his nation would support military action within hours. Several Arab nations were expected to provide backup.

    "Today the Security Council has responded to the Libyan people's cry for help," said Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the U.N. "Colonel Gadhafi and those who still stand by him continue to grossly and systematically abuse the most fundamental of the human rights of his people."

    The United States already has warships positioned near Libya. After eight hours of closed-door talks on Wednesday, Rice said a no-fly zone now was not enough, saying it has "inherent limitations in terms of protection of civilians at immediate risk."

    In Britain, a lawmaker with knowledge of defense matters confirmed that British forces were on standby for air strikes and could be mobilized as soon as Thursday night. The lawmaker declined to be named because the Defense Ministry has not issued official confirmation.

    French President Nicolas Sarkozy's office issued a one-sentence statement at about 2 a.m. Friday Paris time saying he and Obama had spoken by phone about the resolution. Reached by The Associated Press, Sarkozy's office declined further comment. Obama also spoke with British Prime Minister David Cameron.

    Western countries have significant military assets nearby, including carriers in the Mediterranean, a large U.S. air base in Italy and a large British air presence on the island of Cyprus. In addition, allied Arab countries such as Jordan and Oman have planes and pilots often trained by the U.S., and American officials have made clear they want active involvement by Arab countries if any action is taken.

    The U.N. resolution specifically bans a ground offensive against Libya.

    A large crowd in Benghazi was watching the vote on an outdoor TV projection and burst into cheers, with green and red fireworks exploding overhead. In Tobruk, east of Benghazi, happy Libyans fired weapons in the air to celebrate the vote.

    Speaking to reporters in Tripoli after the vote, Libyan Deputy Foreign Minister Khalid Kaim struck a more conciliatory tone, offering to negotiate a cease-fire with the rebels. He welcomed the Security Council's concern for the people of Libya but called on the world not to allow them to receive weapons. "If any countries do that, they will be inviting Libyans to kill each other," he said.

    The shift toward international action reflected dramatic change on the ground in Libya in the past week. The rebels, once confident, found themselves in danger of being crushed by an overpowering pro-Gadhafi force using rockets, artillery, tanks, warplanes. That force has advanced along the Mediterranean coast aiming to recapture the rebel-held eastern half of Libya.

    Gadhafi troops encircled the city of Ajdabiya, the first in the path of their march, but also had some troops positioned beyond it toward Benghazi.

    Several witnesses said rebels in Benghazi succeeded in shooting down at least two of the attacking aircraft. Mohammed Abdel-Rahman, a 42-year-old merchant who lives nearby, said he saw one of the warplanes shot down after striking Benina, the airport.

    Another witness, medical official Qassem al-Shibli, told The Associated Press that he saw three planes attack the airport and nearby rebel military camps before two were shot down. A third witness saw fire trucks fighting a blaze at the airport, and black smoke billowing from the area. Another witness reported that a rebel warplane crashed north of Benghazi, apparently after running out of fuel.

    At the same time, the rebels were sending their own warplanes in an attempt to break the regime's assault on Ajdabiya, a city about 100 miles southwest of Benghazi that has been under a punishing siege by Gadhafi's forces the past two days. But by Thursday afternoon, Gadhafi's army were holding the southern, eastern and western outskirts of Ajdabiya.

    The unrest in Libya began Feb. 15 in the eastern city of Benghazi and spread east to Tripoli, the capital. Like others in the Mideast, the protest started with popular demonstrations against Gadhafi, rejecting his four decades of despotic and often brutal rule. The tone quickly changed after Gadhafi's security in Tripoli forcefully put down the gatherings there.

    Soon rebel forces began arming themselves, quickly taking control of the country's east centered on Benghazi, the second largest Libyan city, with a population of about 700,000. Some Libyan army units joined the rebels, providing them with some firepower, but much less than Gadhafi's remaining forces, and crucially, no air power.

    There are no official death tolls. Rebels say more than 1,000 people have been killed in a month of fighting, while Gadhafi claims the toll is only 150.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110318/...re_af/af_libya

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  • #2
    Is the U.N. going to kick in some funds to the U.S. and Great Britain for the cost, or is it expected that being the ones dirtying our hands is payment enough?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by SlowwHand View Post
      Is the U.N. going to kick in some funds to the U.S. and Great Britain for the cost, or is it expected that being the ones dirtying our hands is payment enough?


      The US and Great Britain were the ones begging to be able to do it. Regardless, other countries are also assisting. Canada is sending F-18s, for instance.

      It'd be pretty ****ing stupid for the US to beg to be able to do it, then ask for payment after.

      Never ceases to amaze me that Americans think they're the only ones who do things.
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      • #4
        Proportionately, it is. As far as "thinking we're the only one", I said, and you quoted, credit to Great Britain. I'm not going to debate you about the action. If you think Gadaffy is the good guy, that's your right. You also disagree with even the Arab League, but again, that's your right.
        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
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        • #5
          I think neither are good, and I think unless there's genocide it's not our business. It's the US that sent high ranking politicians to shake that *******'s hand, not Canada or me...

          The rebels are expelling foreigners from the country, from what I've heard. Replace one ******* regime with another, and mix in some bloodshed to do so. Not that wise, IMHO. Let them sort it out, it's their civil war, not yours.

          But that's not even my point. It's retarded how the Americans always whine that they "have to do everything" or "police the world", when it's almost always the Americans begging to do so. They even do so when the UN explicitly says no. Constantly asking to bomb **** is bad enough, but now you're asking for remuneration for warmongering? Get real.
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          • #6
            The icing on the cake?

            The US owes the UN tons of money in dues that they've not paid. It's something like half a billion dollars last I checked. Or did they finally pay up?

            Edit: I stand corrected, Obama paid up the debts. The Republicans, just last month, have introduced bills to try to stop paying the UN again.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Asher View Post

              Never ceases to amaze me that Americans think they're the only ones who do things.
              Actually the Americans do stuff. For example: they helped us win two world wars. Canada also helped us.

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              • #8
                I respectfully dissent from Wendesday’s NRO editorial, which urges that the United States go to war with Libya. The editorial doesn’t put it that way. Indeed, it doesn’t call for President Obama to…


                Interesting article.
                "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SlowwHand View Post
                  Proportionately, it is. As far as "thinking we're the only one", I said, and you quoted, credit to Great Britain. I'm not going to debate you about the action. If you think Gadaffy is the good guy, that's your right. You also disagree with even the Arab League, but again, that's your right.
                  Speaking of "good guys", lets recap "good guys" by the US standards:

                  Saddam Hussein


                  The US funded and trained Osama Bin Laden

                  The Gadhafi regime:


                  I'm sure I'm missing a lot, too.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Braindead View Post
                    Actually the Americans do stuff. For example: they helped us win two world wars. Canada also helped us.
                    The Americans were way late in both world wars. Canada was there from the start, fighting the good fight.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Asher View Post
                      The Americans were way late in both world wars. Canada was there from the start, fighting the good fight.
                      You couldn't finish the job. Someone had to take care of things.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post
                        You couldn't finish the job. Someone had to take care of things.
                        "Someone" waited til the Axis was weak before leisurely deciding to attack. Don't confuse heroism with cowardice.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Asher View Post
                          The Americans were way late in both world wars. Canada was there from the start, fighting the good fight.
                          The Americans only joined one of them. Second time around, they waited until the bombs were falling on them.

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                          • #14
                            Seriously Sloww, it's clear that the US doesn't give a **** about Libya. The US government has been dithering over the issue for weeks and now the Libyan government is within sight of the last major rebel stronghold.
                            I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Braindead View Post
                              The Americans only joined one of them. Second time around, they waited until the bombs were falling on them.
                              And in the other, they waited til one of their ships was torpedoed...
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